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All
those of you who already follow the Hard'n'Heavy genre for a little bit longer
will most certainly also be familiar with a band called STATETROOPER. These guys
started out in the early 80's, originally formed by ex-MSG singer Gary Barden,
but pretty quickly evolved into a very strong force on their own, with a die
hard and very dedicated international fanbase. Unfortunately their musical
legacy only consists of one self titled album, full of first class melodic Heavy
Rock, but things might change for the better as original guitar player Jeff
Summers revealed in our following interview...
You and drummer Bruce Bisland originally started out together in a band called
FAST RELIEF, which later became WEAPON, if I remember correctly... When exactly
was that, was it your first serious band, who else was with you in the line-up
and did you record / release anything with FAST RELIEF?
"Fast Relief was my first
serious band but Bruce was never a member of that incarnation of the band, the
original line up was: Danny Hynz (v), Lindsey Broadbridge (d), Pete Armitage (b)
and myself on guitar. The band was formed around 1977 and we were playing the
London circuit of gigs at the same time as Samson,
Nuthin’ Fancy (later known as Thunder)
and Iron Maiden... to name but a
few, this was a really exiting time in England for young musicians as it was
leading to what later became the start of the NWOBHM.
We
recorded a series of demos one of which was originally named after the band and
later on became known as “Set The Stage Alight”."
What
lead to the name change into WEAPON and when did you go for that new moniker?
"It was the tail end of 1979 and Fast
Relief had just been told that to secure a deal with Virgin Music
Publishing we would need to replace our drummer and bass player. Bruce had been
playing drums in my brother’s band Lipservice
and was approached to join at this time along with Baz Downes who was a friend
of Danny’s, we felt that with a change of personnel and such a drastic
improvement in the sound of the band we should change the name also... Danny had
a saying, every time that he heard or felt something good he would say it was a
“Weapon” - very Irish, so we changed our name!!"
WEAPON
only released a 7" / 12" called "It's A Mad Mad World" back
in 1980... tell us a bit more about that and why the band was so short-lived in
the end.
"Weapon was a very
influential band considering its short existence... Metallica
sited us as a primal influence as did many Thrash / Speed Metal bands. We in
fact recorded a whole album worth of material including 'Its A Mad Mad World'
and 'Set The Stage Alight' and after the original success of this double A side
and a huge support tour with Motörhead
on the “Ace Up Your Sleeve Tour”, Virgin decided to shelve the project and
concentrate on more “Pop“ orientated bands. The lack of recording and
financial support meant that the band had to split up."
In 1983 you joined forces with ex-MORE singer Paul Mario Day and ex-DUMPY'S
RUSTY NUTS bass player Jeff Brown to form a new band called WILDFIRE. What
happened to the other WEAPON members Danny Hynes (vocals) and Barry Downes
(bass) and what was the main difference in WEAPON and WILDFIRE?
"Danny continued with a new line-up of Weapon
for a while and they recorded some more demos, he later formed Paddy
Goes to Hollyhead with - amongst others Bruce and myself. He continues to
play in this successful “Pub“ band to this day... Baz played with many
luminaries including Nik Turner of Hawkwind
and later formed a band called The
Screaming Marionettes. One
of the main differences between Weapon
and Wildfire revolved around the
song writing construction, the writing was a much more democratic affair
involving all five members of the band. I also felt that we had matured
musically and played more sophisticated and intricate music. The inclusion of
Martin Bushell on guitar gave us a completely different sound; he was a very
important member of Wildfire!"
You
recorded and released two albums for Mausoleum Records, called "Brute Force
And Ignorance" (1983) and "Summer Lightning" (1985)... What kind
of memories do you have on those records?
"This
was a really exciting time musically and personally, Wildfire
was
a great band and these two records highlighted just how good and individual the
band was at the time; remember, these records were way before the likes of Bon
Jovi who as we all know later achieved international success with a
similar type of sound… Mausoleum were perfect for us as a record company in as
much as they believed in our music as much as we did, if only our management
company at the time had as much belief in us as did Alfie Falkenbach, Alfie was
the MD of Mausoleum Records at the time and we had a lot of fun recording those
records in Shiva Studios in Brussels… Shiva was a little 32 track-recording
set-up cleverly hidden at the back of a lovely little restaurant called “Le
Jakanna” (the name taken from a combination of the two owners names). “Brute
Force And Ignorance” was recorded entirely at Shiva within the space of about
two weeks."
After
the release of "Summer Lightning" the entire WILDFIRE line-up (except
for Paul, who joined ANDY SCOTT'S SWEET) hooked up with Gary Barden in his newly
founded band STATETROOPER... what lead to this decision? Had Paul already left
the band, was WILDFIRE basically going nowhere or have there been other reasons
involved?
"No,
Wildfire was still a strong unit
and we were all such good friends…
Paul was a great, great singer, a really
powerful British singer with a fantastically powerful voice and we had just
recorded “Summer Lightning” which we considered to be the best thing we had
done to date!! It happened that Gary Barden had been introduced to us on a
number of occasions and after leaving MSG had signed an independent management
deal with Wildfire ’s management
company. Gary was in the process of putting Statetrooper
together and had invited our drummer (Bruce Bisland) to play on his demos for
him, Bruce had obviously been very flattered to play with Gary and the rest as
they say is history."
Did
Gary contact you or vice versa? And how did you hook up with Steve Glover on
keyboards? Had he been playing in any band previously as well?
"As
I remember…Gary had been forming a musical and personal bond with Bruce and Statetrooper
as it was benefited from Bruce’s positive influence on the band. At about this
time Wildfire had been asked to
perform 2 songs live on an up and coming UK TV show called ECT and because one
of the songs ('Jerusalem') required some keyboard work, Gary offered the services
of his keyboard player Steve Glover who consequently appeared on the TV show as
part of Wildfire. On hearing the
band play live on TV together and after a little persuasion from Bruce, Gary
decided to invite Jeff Brown (who had also helped on some early Statetrooper
demos), Martin Bushell and myself together with Bruce and Steve to a practice
room where we worked on what was to become some of the songs on the Statetrooper
album. I am not sure which band’s Steve Glover played with prior to joining Statetrooper."
In the band's bio there's talk of "the Johnson brothers" who started
STATETROOPER with Gary before you guys came into the picture... Tell us more
about them and why they didn't work out in the end?
"I wasn’t involved in “the Johnson brothers” version of Statetrooper
so
my knowledge of this period is a little uncertain, but I heard the original
demos and thought they were very, very good! Steve Johnson was the guitar player
and Fasker Johnson (who later joined SAXON) played bass, I think there were some
personal issues between the brothers who were both very talented, but I think
Gary was looking for a more song-based writing vehicle for his new project and
felt that we could offer something more innovative!!"
The
first official STATETROOPER release was a 12" EP on Neat Records, which
featured the tracks 'She Got The Look', 'Set Fire To The Night' and 'Veni, Vidi,
Vinci'... How did you hook up with Neat at the time and did that release help
the band in any way to gain more recognition?
"You have done your homework Frank…The three tracks that are featured on
the 12” EP from Neat had been recorded, as high quality demos to try and
attract a major label to the band. To be honest we were looking for a major deal
and despite the close attention of the biggest labels out there, we managed
(Mis) somehow or another to get signed to Neat Records who really got behind the
EP, but only had limited resources. As you can imagine, Gary had just finished
as lead singer with at the time one of the biggest bands in the world, and what
can now be seen as the definitive MSG line-up, so we were a little surprised and
disappointed when all our management company could come with was a comparatively
obscure independent label. Most people even today believe that that EP was a
very strong record with a unique sound that offered very strong songs!"
Talking
about 'Veni, Vidi, Vinci'... was that actually just a spelling error (as the
real latin saying is 'Veni, Vidi, Vici') or was it supposed to be a little word
game?
"You’ll
have to ask Gary about that one, Latin was never my forte…'Veni, Vidi, Vinci'
was a dynamic title for a dynamic piece of music and the Latin paraphrase
reflected the opening line and general subject matter of the song."
All
of the songs later on also appeared on the STATETROOPER debut album. What made
you do so? Do they differ in any way from the EP versions? Have they been
re-recorded for the album?
"As previously stated, these songs were originally recorded as high class
demos and never really intended for general release, they appeared on the album
as they were purely because it was the only outlet that we had for our material
at the time. We also begrudgingly felt that they were really good anyway and
probably wouldn’t benefit too much from a re-recording."
Talking about the album - surprisingly it wasn't released by Neat Records
anymore, but on FM Revolver... how did that come about and did you consider that
a big step forward at the time?
"The FM and Neat deals along with any other kind of promotional stuff were
negotiated by our management company at the time, so we had it put to us that
this was the way forward by our “trusted” advisors… I still find it hard
to believe that given the quality of the band, the profile of its members and
the level of “positive” reviews we were picking up at the time, our
“management” company could not tie down a more appropriate record contract
for us!"
What
made you use two live songs on a debut album?
"Again, this was mainly a management decision… these songs were recorded
live at the Marquee; we were told that this was potentially for a live release
later or purely for promotional purposes. We never thought at the time of
recording this gig that these songs would end up on our first record!! They are
genuinely “live” though… I think it gives some inclination of how powerful
the band was at this time!"
I was in particular kind of surprised to see the old MSG classic 'Armed And
Ready' resurface on the album, as Gary most certainly wasn't too happy about how
his co-operation with Michael Schenker ended. So, why using a Schenker
co-written tune then?
"Again, it was a decision made by the management company, one which I think
under the circumstances turned out to be a good one! Michael was actually at the
show when that song and 'Too Late For Love' were recorded and generously
remarked to Gary that it was a really exciting version of the song."
Is
it true that the material on the album was originally only demos? Why did you
release it as an album nevertheless? Was FM low on money to spend on the band?
"These demos were paid for mainly by Gary, FM and Neat was purely an outlet
and distribution point for our already recorded music."
In 1986 you finally got the opportunity to go on the road, supporting BLUE ÖYSTER
CULT... did that combination musically work out for you or wasn't STATETROOPER
accepted by the die hard BLUE ÖYSTER CULT fans? Any memories you can share with
us concerning that tour, good or bad?
"The combination worked very well, I remember it was a three-band bill
including BÖC, Girlschool and
us… Because it was a varied but connected mix the fans got a real show and we
managed to win over a lot of BÖC and Girlschool
fans during that tour, in fact the press reviews at the time in both Sounds and
Kerrang described us as the most
entertaining and relevant band on the bill. My
general memories of the tour were good and it was great to be part of a band
that was improving day by day… One overriding memory was of myself, Bruce and
Jeff B standing at the side of the stage with the BÖC keyboard player during
the BÖC set singing our own particularly derisory version of a well known BÖC
song, the words of which must remain with us I’m afraid… all for fun though
and BÖC were a great bunch of guys, we spent a lot of time in their company and
pretty much the same with Girlschool!"
Was
that the only STATETROOPER tour ever?
"The only complete tour, yes! We did lots of one off’s including the
Marquee and clubs of a similar ilk throughout the UK. We also appeared at a
number of festivals in Europe!"
In 1987 Martin Bushell got replaced by ex-THIN LIZZY guitarist Brian
Robertson... What was the reason for this line-up change?
"I think this can only be described as “musical differences”. Martin is
a lovely guy and a very talented guitar player, he seemed to be pulling the band
in a direction we all were trying to avoid… When Martin left, we auditioned
lots of up and coming hopefuls, but couldn’t find the right chemistry for the
band at the time. At this point the management company suggested we try out
“Robbo” at least for a rehearsal to see if we thought we could integrate him
into the band… he turned up at the rehearsal and blew us all away with his
exiting approach to guitar playing and we decided to give him a go!"
With
Brian you started writing and recording new material, like 'Love Lies Bleeding',
'Juliet' and 'How Does It Feel?’ but nothing ever really came out of it and at
one time the band disbanded... Tell us more about those days...
"Robbo never recorded with us, he did appear in the video shoot for what
was to become the single from the album - 'Last Stop To Heaven' but he never
featured on the music itself. We had a great time making that video in Frankfurt
and hooked up with Bobby Kimball from TOTO for an impromptu hotel room “jam
session” and lots of “celebratory drinks”. After the video sessions we set
about playing some more festivals in Europe with Robbo on guitar for the first
time, it never worked out live however, but Steve and Robbo
seemed to hit it off and Steve eventually left to form a band with Robbo that I
think was called Face to Face.
After Steve and Robbo’s departure, the new songs were written and recorded
without Robbo’s help and in fact I’m the only guitar player on those
sessions and the keyboards were played by Phil “Headless” Lanson an old
friend and member of Uriah Heep."
'Juliet'
is the only song which you used for the CD re-issue of the STATETROOPER CD...
any reasons for that? Do you consider it as the strongest composition from that
period?
"There was a lot of debating about this subject between us… you know,
should we include the last demos on the re-issue? And if so where about in the
albums running order should they appear!! After
much more debating, it was decided
that one song should be included from this era as a thank you to those who had
supported the band over all these years. We‘re
still not sure if it was the right decision but we felt very strongly about all
three songs from that period and listening to them again after all that time we
realised what great songs they still were apart from the dated production .We
felt it was time to stop releasing demos and to try to do the songs justice by
recording them to a standard that we would be happy to release. So that started
us thinking about a new album and although we would all still like to have
another go at 'Juliet' we will have to see. As for it being the strongest composition of that period… only
time will tell!!!"
Who
actually came up with the idea for the re-issue? Is the original CD still a much
sought after item these days?
"It was Gary who got us all together to consider the re-issue… he had had
so much feedback from his official website (apparently more interest in Statetrooper
than MSG), that he decided that a re-issue was inevitable… after we had heard
Michael Voss’s excellent re-master in a lovely little bar in Gary’s home
town of Tunbridge Wells, we made a democratic decision to go ahead and give the
record another chance to satisfy all of those who had championed the cause
(including a Japanese fan site dedicated purely to the re-issue of the album on
CD) and a potentially new audience."
What
was the reason for using a negative version of the front cover picture on the
album's recent CD re-issue?
"Good question! We felt that the re-mastering had given the record a new
lease of life, it sounded so fresh and alive to us that we came up with the idea
of producing an 8 page booklet, which would tell the interested parties a little
about the Statetrooper story and
give them something extra that the first record didn’t have. Some of the
photos featured in the booklet are from my own personal collection and hopefully
give the listener a little personal insight into the band… The negative of the
CD cover was mainly (I think) Gary’s idea, and was his way of letting people
know that the record was now available on CD, but with differences i.e.
re-mastered, with extra track and with an insight into the band within the pages
of the booklet."
What
have you guys all been doing ever since...? I mean, ok - we know about Gary, and
Bruce Bisland re-surfaced in PRAYING MANTIS and ANDY SCOTT'S SWEET... but what
about the other guys?
"Jeff
Brown also plays with THE SWEET and is now in fact lead vocalist as well as bass
player and can be heard singing the majority of the material on the
“Sweetlife” record. Steve Glover (as far as I know) no longer works in the
music industry and Martin Bushell I believe is producing music somewhere in his
studio in the UK! I
for my sins have got a “proper job” running an audio visual company and I
play in a covers band called the
Loudshirts to keep me busy."
You
mentioned the possibility of a STATETROOPER reunion and even a new album if the
reissue will be successful. Do you think the magic between you guys is still
there after so many years? Do you have any idea of how the band would sound like
in 2002 / 2003? Any musical changes you'd take into consideration if it would
become reality?
"Gary,
Bruce, Jeff B and myself have already met up on a number of occasions to discuss
the potential for a new Statetrooper
CD. We have been really pleased with the reaction to the re-issue, in fact we
have been overwhelmed by the response from the fans and industry alike… so
far, everybody
seems to like the record (touch wood)!! On the basis of this response, we have
decided to definitely release a new Statetrooper
CD. The standards and expectation levels that we have set for ourselves, mean
that the new record must be at least as good as the original and on the evidence
of the new tracks already written I would say that the old magic, chemistry call
it what you will, is still there. The maturity of the musicians involved will
contribute to what I hope will be the best thing any of has been involved with.
On the evidence of Gary’s latest work (Silver
I & II) I think his voice is better than ever, and the rest of us have
managed to retain the excitement and love for each other that made the first
record so special. The fact that we will be more “in control” of what we do
this time will only help us to express ourselves more creatively, and I for one
am very much looking forward to the future of Statetrooper…"
Anything
else we might have forgotten? Closing comments?!
"I’d just like to say thank you Frank for your time and your interest in Statetrooper,
and for all of those people who have bought the record and continue to support
the band… We THAAAAAAAAANK YOU!!"
www.statetrooper.co.uk
Interview: Frank Stöver
Reunion pic by: Suchi